Many people use the price of Cuban cigars as debate. I still wonder, though. In what country does a party short cost $4 retail?I saw this on another post, but since it is applicable I will share it. I don't mean to plagiarize, so credit to who said this recently.
If it is all about the forbidden fruit, then why is the majority of the cigar product in embargo-less countries Cuban in origin? They have a choice (essentially) on what to carry, and yet NCs are scarce. Could be some hold over from when NCs weren't as good, I don't know.
For me it is a cost to benefit analysis. I get as much enjoyment from a $4 Party Short that I get from that same Padron Anny costing at least a few times that. For CC versus NC on the same price point, so far I haven't found it to be even close. I can smoke a Siglo series that blows away an Anny IMO for the same price.
Now as to *my* thoughts on the matter, the above should clarify my opinion. But that is merely my opinion. To others, a NC might be a "better" cigar.I'm sure this has been debated many times before, but I did not see this anywhere. I spend time at a few local cigar lounges and this debate always comes up.
Is it true that Cuba produces superior cigars in this day and age? IMO, yes
There is no question that up until maybe 15 years ago the answer was absolutely yes!
Nowadays, there is such good product coming from Nicaraugua, Dominican, Honduras, etc....can we still say that Cubans are the best? IMO, yes
How many Cubans are really better than say a Padron Anniversary? A ton of them, at much lower prices
Part of me feels that a lot of the desirability (in the States) is from the "people want what they can't have" addage.
What are your thoughts?
This is true in Portual, also. Not to mention, that premium cigars are so expensive that only people who are "well off" can really enjoy them from time to time. Internet shopping is more difficult depending on how thorough your customs offices are.I have been to Canada, Mexico and several islands where I have talked to the owners/employees of legit tobacco shops. They always say the same thing "The limited release NC stuff is sold almost exclusively to US Tobacco retailers."
Go to another country and see what is easier to find...Opus x, Padron 80th, or Cohiba.
This is not totally correct. Tobacconists outside of the US do not necessarily have the option what to stock. Here in Australia you will not find NC cigars branded with the Cuban names like the NC Montecristo's, Punch's, Cohiba etc. Why, because it is illegal, they are a breach of copy right and branding laws. You only get them here if you do what I do and buy them off the net. It is illegal for retailers to sell them, not to have them.That was my point. They have the option to choose what to stock, Cuban or not, and yet they carry mainly Cubans. I do not know how difficult it is be for a tobacconist outside the US to obtain NC stock for their store, but if it isn't too difficult, then apparently the market dictates that Cubans are in fact better. I can't say with any certainty however. Therefore, my entire point may not be valid anyways. :tu
:tpd:cuban cigars are very different. To say "better" is just a matter of personal taste. The tobacco is different in every country, due to soil, weather and probably many other factors. Comparing a CC to Nicarauguan, is like comparing a Honduran to Dominican etc... Different tabacoo = different taste. :2
I'm also not a lawyer but those cases (say Cohiba vs General Cigar) have been going on for years and they owners of the American trademarks keep winning. I'd guess that it will be the Cuban versions that will have to rebrand or not sell here. And I'd suspect that while Cubans would be open to blended Cuban cigars they would sell little or no leaf to outside interests. I think companies selling cigars in the states and making big hay would be opposed to the lifting of the embargo until they could find a way to assure the playing field is regulated......If at some point in the future the embargo is lifted and Cuban cigars become legal in the US again, then these laws could be enforced their and you may find these NC cigars being forced to change name to continue to sell.....
:tpd:Depends to me on what exactly you mean by superior.
If we are talking about the tobacco itself - then I say yes.
If we are talking about construction - then I say no - not superior.
Jsan - Thanks for bringing in your wide perspective, and bringing it all back to what cigar smoking is about.In my honest opinion... I am not the best authority in Cigars and I dont have the knowledge that other fellows in this forum have in the Cigar matter... But by personal experience... I have been in Habana, Cuba multiple times and I am born and race in Puerto Rico in between Sugar Cane, Pineapple, Banana, Coffe and Tabaco farmers... So saying this... I have smoke the real Cuban cigar, the one with no name the one that you buy in the streets of Habana and I did smoke the Cuban Cohibas and the Dominican Cohibas... And I smoke Cigars from Honduras, Nicaragua, Puerto Rico, Colombia, ect... my point is simple... is all personal taste... I found for my taste the the Cigars from Hoduras are better than Cubans... But each Cigar is different... And I dont care what people say... If you open a box of Cigars...The flavor maight be alike but each cigar is different... The same is with the Cubans...
Cuba does have a great quality cigar production but they are not the only great quality cigars in the market...
I have seen this debate scores of times here, so I am not reading the thread. I just had to quote you here though, Brother, as I thought this was kinda funny. You must not be looking too hard.I'm sure this has been debated many times before, but I did not see this anywhere.
To be fair tho this debate is timeless, whenever more than 4 smokers gather it always comes up in one form or another.I have seen this debate scores of times here, so I am not reading the thread. I just had to quote you here though, Brother, as I thought this was kinda funny. You must not be looking too hard.
Ditto almost exactly. Over the last week I've had to force myself to light a non-cuban, even some of my favorites in past times like OWR or DCM. It has not become the kind of thing yet where they have lost their attraction yet (well not totally.......) but I'm pretty sure I'm overstocked on most smokes that are non-cuban.I have only been smoking cigars for about a year so I can't really say that the Cubans used to be better since I have no basis of comparison. I will say however that at first I thought it was all hype but over the last couple three months or so I invariably go for a CC when I open the humi. Bolivar PC, Trinidad Reyes, Partagas Shorts, Por Laranaga have really become my smoke of choice.