Top 5 Most complex NC smokes?

Gargamel

Lowland Gorilla
I agree. Good, but not complex.

The non-Cubans I've had that come closest to being complex are some Tatuajes and the Camachos when they first came out. I might also add the 858 SG to the list.

Most definitely. I used to smoke those unbanded Camachos that came in the little pyramid box when I first got started. They were powerhouses yet complex. I have had 898 SG's that were flat and some that were heaven...seriously. The last few I smoked were from 01 I believe...they were unreal.
 
Amen...I've never understood the hype behind these. They are pretty to look at and smooth smoking but come across the palate flat. May I be so bold to say the "anti-complex".

I have that prob with a lot of NC's though... they just lack that depth and complexity... that "OOMPH" if you will.

James, good call on the 858 SG's, forgot about those!
 

croatan

Parisian Pimp
Most definitely. I used to smoke those unbanded Camachos that came in the little pyramid box when I first got started. They were powerhouses yet complex. I have had 898 SG's that were flat and some that were heaven...seriously. The last few I smoked were from 01 I believe...they were unreal.
Yeah, the first time I smoked one of those early Camachos, I would have sworn it was Cuban.
 

ATLHARP

No Good Bastage!
Most definitely. I used to smoke those unbanded Camachos that came in the little pyramid box when I first got started. They were powerhouses yet complex.

Those are the Camacho Diplomas or the 18 X 11. Both are very complex and great tasting smokes. last time I had one was about 6 months ago. What a strong cigar!:ss

ATL
 

Gargamel

Lowland Gorilla
Those are the Camacho Diplomas or the 18 X 11. Both are very complex and great tasting smokes. last time I had one was about 6 months ago. What a strong cigar!:ss

ATL

I cut my teeth on those, Opus, and the LFG 2000 series. I wonder what I would think of one nowadays :confused:
 
Its you and me against the Jungle!! LOL
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:tpd: PAMs are nice, but for the price, i'd rather go for a Tatuaje Cojonu.

this post has given me an idea, tho. someone who has a clue (meaning, not myself) should make a "Can you taste this?" thread to help out the wee little ones with singling out flavors, characteristics. i know most are pretty straight forward, but sometimes people talk of coffees and leather and black cherries and i don't know what the hell they're talkin about. i taste tobacco smoke.

example:
Complex - Tatuaje
Chocolatey - Padron 3k Maduro (right?)
Creamy - Condega Connecticut

whatever, i'm just lazy. i know i could just search it out. :tu aaaaand done jacking this thread.
 

donp

Chestbeating Pack Leader
1. Davidoff Millennium Robusto.
2. Forbidden X (Opus X)
3. Cuban Belicoso Sungrown
4. Tatuaje Especiales
5. Camacho Diploma



Any of these have some serious complexity to them.

ATL

I agree about the Camacho diploma, and I would also add the Monarca as well; both are excellent smokes.
 

donp

Chestbeating Pack Leader
:tpd: PAMs are nice, but for the price, i'd rather go for a Tatuaje Cojonu.

this post has given me an idea, tho. someone who has a clue (meaning, not myself) should make a "Can you taste this?" thread to help out the wee little ones with singling out flavors, characteristics. i know most are pretty straight forward, but sometimes people talk of coffees and leather and black cherries and i don't know what the hell they're talkin about. i taste tobacco smoke.

example:
Complex - Tatuaje
Chocolatey - Padron 3k Maduro (right?)
Creamy - Condega Connecticut

whatever, i'm just lazy. i know i could just search it out. :tu aaaaand done jacking this thread.


Hmmm, then here's a little homework for ya :D :

>>http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=31310&highlight=taste+wheel<<

It should be helpful to you when you are trying to figure out what the hell folks are talking about when they describe flavors and tastes :ss
 

Coffee Grounds

Evolving Lead Gorilla
Aurora 100 Anos
Edicion de Silvios from the original release
Opus Petite Lanceros, perfexcion 4's (at times)

Hmmm....I'm stumped.

I would not agree that Padron Anni's are complex. I'll probably get flamed for that statement but I'm sticking to it.


I would agree that the Padron anni's are not complex.
IMHO I think they are straight forward bold smoothness. The 26th is my favorite smoke.
 

hornitosmonster

5 Rings and Counting
I know it isn't a big brand and most people cannot get them but I'm going to have to say Habanos Torres. They are good and equal to any Cuban I have had.
 

cigarluver

Young Ape
How did I forget the Cein Anos.....d'oh. And yeah the padrons have lots of flaovr but I think you are right...not that complex compared to say the Cien Anos.

I'm with you on that. I keep the Cien Anos on hand in a few sizes. I enjoy the Padron Annis, but I'll only buy them when I catch a sale.

To stay on topic I had a Rocky Patel Cuban Blend Toro that's been in the humidor about a year now. Totally different from the first month. It's complex in the sense that the flavors change throughout. Needs to be smoked in a relaxed, unhurried manner to be fully appreciated. Also has this floral undertone (which I like alot) that appears throughout. Nice, medium-bodied change of pace, and relatively inexpensive.
 

Boston_Dude05

Chestbeating Pack Leader
Also would agree Padron '64s are not the most complex I've had. Generally one dimensional bold taste from beginning to end, except for the first several puffs, which are spicy. Then it transitions mostly to expresso, leathery tastes all the way down without changing much. Of course, construction on these is amazing though.
 

carni

Vivo Cohibos > Behikes
By complex I will assume you mean flavor variations through the smoke and/or number of flavor variations in each puff. Most complex, not neccasarily the best are...

Padilla Miami 8&11 (the best)
La Aurora perfidos (very complex, not my flavor profile though)
Avo Intermezzso (only mild-medium n.c. that is complex)
Padron x000 series (the 64 and 26 are better smokes but not as complex)
Rocky Patel Edge Corojo (smoked on last week and very impressed, best RP)
 

bartok

Young Ape
I don't know if I can give a ranking, but some of the more complex cigars I've smoked are:

  • Opus X #5
  • Tatuaje Reserva SW
  • 64 PAN Imperial
  • Davidoff MB Lonsdale
  • AF Hemingway Signature

I'm sure some others will spring to mind when I give it some more thought.
 

Finfan

ChestBeater
Thanks again everyone for all the thoughtful replies. Much work to be done...Brother in town this weekend. Im sure he will share in my "complex" work.
 

Big D

C.A.O. & Gurkha Whore
Try a Ashton VSG Robusto, I find that it has many flavors to it.
IMHO, the Padron 64's aren't complex to me, but a top smoke.
To me it has a good solid,deep rounded flavor.
 

worr lord

Canis Dirus
Fuente Don Carlos No. 2
Oliva Grand Maduro Perfecto
Partagas Black Label Classico
Macanudo Hampton Court
Onyx Reserve Belicoso with some age on it

It's hard to choose 5, especially when cigars change over time.
 

Ceedee

Gorilla
Wow, some good cigars have been mentioned already. Here's my 2¢:

  • Fuente Opus X xXx "Power Ranger"
  • Ashton ESG 20 Year Salute
  • Partagas 160 Robusto Minor
  • Padron 1964 Anniversary Maduro Corona
  • Tatuaje Noellas Maduro (try to find them!)
So many cigars, so little time...

CD
 

relaxnsmoke

DymOnamic
I really like the Padron flavor profile, the thousand series in both maduro and natural wrapper. The Anniversary Series (both '64 & '26) is a fantastic walking and traveling cigar with smooth clean smoke...the perfect Las Vegas cigar. They are subtle in complexity yet deliver a fantastic Nicaraguan coffee and chocolate flavor to the palate. Love them all and always have a variety on hand in my humidor.

In no particular order here are what I have found to be the 5 most complex NC smokes currently available.

1)Litto Gomez Small Batch (Power and Poise)

2)La flor Dominica Coronado series (Any Size, all of 'em are huge! flavor bomb)

3)La Aurora 100 Anos (Any Size, great finish top notch cigar)

4)Don Pepin Blue Label Imperiales Torpedoe (Peppery, then with a floral finish, a wild smoke!)

5) (tie) Tatuaje Cabinet Noellas/Don Pepin Vegas Cubanas Coronas (subtle difference between the two IMHO but the DPCC's are $50 less per box)

I love all of the above mentioned smokes and a whole bunch of others, given my choice many times I'd rather have a Alec Bradley Triology, Brazilia, Padron or Litto Gomez Chisel say over complexity, these and many others are still wonderful cigars with great flavor profiles.
 
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